men in a southern poverty law center are claiming that jonah falsely promised cures and used tactics that sound less like therapy and more like mental torture. i want you to listen to this. >> in another exercise, a man had to breakthrough a human barricade that i was a part of in order to seize two oranges that were meant to symbolize his testicles. he was then instructed to squeeze the juice from them and drink them and put them in his pants in order to gain his testicles. in retrospect, these practices fall in a range between absurd to disturbing. >> that was plaintiff michael ferguson who joins me now along with attorney sam wolf. good morning to both of you. michael, i'm sure that was a very difficult time for you to come out and speak that way. can you tell us more about these techniques that you say the group jonah asked you to perform? >> sure. so the basis of these techniques is, of course, the idea that there's something broken inside of you. the model that's asserted is often that your parents failed you somehow, that your father was too distant or your mother was overbear